Hi,
I’d like to ask what the status of discussions around hosting a style
repository at citationstyles.org is?
From the Mendeley point of view, we want to be able to integrate the style
editor into our products as soon as possible. We expect as a consequence
that our users will begin to generate styles, and we want to ensure that
these styles can get distributed back to the community with correct
attribution.
Thanks,
What do you see as “correct attribution”?
In any case, assuming the editor works as we all hope it will, I’d
like to see it hosted at citationstyles.org, and for it to include a
nice browsing and repository interface (each style gets an HTML page
with comments, etc.) for the 1.0-compliant styles it creates.
We had chatted about moving over the zotero.org styles once we convert
them to 1.0. Some of us had also hoped to extract the macros from the
existing styles for use in the csl editor (see other thread).
But we haven’t gotten into details on this yet.
Bruce
Let’s hope that “correct attribution” does not mean a monolith like http://www.mendeley.com/citationstyles/ that doesn’t even make mention of CSL, let alone authorship. Ian, you’re new here and perhaps you can help to address these long festering problems. Where your colleagues have viewed it a weakness to admit that “7 variations of the Chicago Manual of Style” were user-generated, why not proudly declare your support for an open standard? -Sean
Ouch; yeah, that’s pretty bad form, particularly given previous
discussion on these issues.
Bruce
Thanks for the feedback. http://www.mendeley.com/citationstyles/
sucks, I will look into changing that.
In my mind correct attribution consists of retaining authorship and
rights information for any style. I would like to see new styles be
authored under as permissive a licence as possible.
I am new around here, and I agree that Mendeley can do a better job of
acknowledging CSL. I also will need some time to get up to speed with
the discussions that have gone on so far, and I thank you all for your
patience.
As an aside you may (or then again may not), be interested in part of
my background. From 2002 – 2005 I managed the copy editing of physics
journals and books for Springer Verlag. I was one of the co-authors of
the in-house style guide.
From 2005 – 2007 I was a managing editor of four journals and five
book series for Springer.
From 2007 though to about two weeks ago I worked with Nature
Publishing Group, where among other things I was the product manager
for Connotea.
I am now based in London (I’m available there to meet in person if any
of you are in the area), and the integration of CSL within Mendeley is
one of my four core projects.
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In my mind correct attribution consists of retaining authorship and
rights information for any style. I would like to see new styles be
authored under as permissive a licence as possible.
+1
I am new around here, and I agree that Mendeley can do a better job of
acknowledging CSL. I also will need some time to get up to speed with
the discussions that have gone on so far, and I thank you all for your
patience.
Yeah, no problem Ian.
As an aside you may (or then again may not), be interested in part of
my background. From 2002 – 2005 I managed the copy editing of physics
journals and books for Springer Verlag. I was one of the co-authors of
the in-house style guide.
Awesome; I’d say that’s relevant experience indeed!
From 2005 – 2007 I was a managing editor of four journals and five
book series for Springer.
From 2007 though to about two weeks ago I worked with Nature
Publishing Group, where among other things I was the product manager
for Connotea.
I am now based in London (I’m available there to meet in person if any
of you are in the area), and the integration of CSL within Mendeley is
one of my four core projects.
One problem we do have is that we’re spread across continents. I’m in
the US (Ohio), Rintze has been in continental Europe, but will soon to
be moving about two hours drive south of me.
Frank is in Japan somewhere.
The Zotero guys are spread around the country (NY, California, outside DC).
And you guys, of course, are in Europe.
If there’s any value in it, we might consider at some point trying to
arrange a conference call. Email lists aren’t always the best means of
communication.
Bruce
This is what IRC is for. With the benefit that you’d get lurkers like me (and others like adamsmith) who may not be interested in contributing to core, but sometimes do useful stuff around the edges.