Mappings from zotero to csl style

I think there needs to be a few more mappings, and possibly some new CSL
things added to make the mapping between what zotero stores and what CSL can
handle. Specifically to implement some of the more weird and wonderful
citations.

Audio recording

  • Only the performer is mapped as author. Composer, and contributor, words
    by are not available. I wonder what these might be mapped to?
  • Running time
  • Repository
  • Loc. in Archive
  • rights
    A number of these apply to some of the below too.

Bill

  • no mapping for Bill number, session - both of which are required by
    Chicago. I can’t see an obvious CSL destination

Book and chapter

  • no mapping for series editor - I found a use for this in one style I
    encountered. It could be mapped to something existing but might be better as
    a new author type in CSL.

Case (legal)

  • Court isn’t mapped which Chicago requires - could be mapped to location?
    Although some cases required publication details.

Conference Paper

  • Conference name is not mapped, container-title might be a possible
    destination.

Film, TV, video and Radio

  • Only director is mapped (to author). I think producer and scriptwriter
    would be useful, but not sure what they should target

Hearing

  • Chicago suggests the Committee is the author, although this isn’t mapped.
    The only author zotero allows is Contributor which maps to Author but
    doesn’t feel right.

Interview

  • Interviewer is not mapped - there is a new CSL target for this now I
    think.

Letter

  • Recipient isn’t mapped, should use the new CSL attribute for this.

Newspaper.

  • the section part could do with a destination in CSL. This has come up in a
    number of styles.

Patent

  • the patent no is the most important missing part - not sure what CSL
    element this would be
  • Issue date is also required (as separate from filing date).
    e.g. Petroff, M. D., and M. G. Stapelbroek. 1980. Blocked impurity band
    detectors. US Patent 4,586,960, filed Oct. 23, 1980, and issued Feb. 4,

Missing styles

Reviews seem common - film reviews, tv progs, concerts etc.
3. Ben Brantley, review of Our Lady of Sligo, by Sebastian Barry, directed
by Max Stafford-Clark, Irish Repertory Theater, New York, New York Times,
April 21, 2000, Weekend section.

Bible seems to be very common with its own format - as in
6. 2 Kings 11:8 (New Revised Standard Version).
Qu’ran too (Qur’an 19:17–21) and others.

Julian.

Audio recording

  • Only the performer is mapped as author. Composer, and
    contributor, words by are not available. I wonder what these might
    be mapped to?
  • Running time

Looks like these need to be added.

  • Repository

Should be mapped to “archive,” I think.

  • Loc. in Archive

We’ve been discussing this in another thread.

  • rights

Not sure we need this in the citation(?)

A number of these apply to some of the below too.

Bill

  • no mapping for Bill number, session - both of which are required
    by Chicago. I can’t see an obvious CSL destination

Bill number should be mapped to “number;” session could be mapped to
"event."

Book and chapter

  • no mapping for series editor - I found a use for this in one style
    I encountered. It could be mapped to something existing but might be
    better as a new author type in CSL.

Looks like these need to be added.

Case (legal)

  • Court isn’t mapped which Chicago requires - could be mapped to
    location? Although some cases required publication details.

Maybe “event”/“event-place”? Neither of these are quite intuitive.

Conference Paper

  • Conference name is not mapped, container-title might be a possible
    destination.

This should probably be mapped to “event.”

Film, TV, video and Radio

  • Only director is mapped (to author). I think producer and
    scriptwriter would be useful, but not sure what they should target

Looks like these need to be added.

Hearing

  • Chicago suggests the Committee is the author, although this isn’t
    mapped. The only author zotero allows is Contributor which maps to
    Author but doesn’t feel right.

Not quite sure what to do about this one.

Interview

  • Interviewer is not mapped - there is a new CSL target for this now
    I think.

Letter

  • Recipient isn’t mapped, should use the new CSL attribute for this.

Both of these exist now in CSL. They just need to be mapped in Zotero.

Newspaper.

  • the section part could do with a destination in CSL. This has come
    up in a number of styles.

Looks like we need to add this.

Patent

  • the patent no is the most important missing part - not sure what
    CSL element this would be
  • Issue date is also required (as separate from filing date).
    e.g. Petroff, M. D., and M. G. Stapelbroek. 1980. Blocked impurity
    band detectors. US Patent 4,586,960, filed Oct. 23, 1980, and issued
    Feb. 4, 1986.

Patent # should be mapped to “number.” Filing date should probably
become “event,” but “event” needs to be renamed so that it doesn’t
conflict with the “event” text variable (as long as it does, it can’t
be used in conditionals).

Missing styles

Reviews seem common - film reviews, tv progs, concerts etc.
3. Ben Brantley, review of Our Lady of Sligo, by Sebastian Barry,
directed by Max Stafford-Clark, Irish Repertory Theater, New
York,New York Times, April 21, 2000, Weekend section.

This probably requires a hierarchical item model. Otherwise, how are
we to determine whether “Our Lady of Sligo” should be italicized or
put in quotation marks?

Bible seems to be very common with its own format - as in
6. 2 Kings 11:8 (New Revised Standard Version).
Qu’ran too (Qur’ an 19:17–21) and others.

Not sure what to do about this, since adding a “Bible” item type would
probably not make sense. For now, biblical scholars will have to use
the citation editor.

Simon

Audio recording

  • Only the performer is mapped as author. Composer, and
    contributor, words by are not available. I wonder what these might
    be mapped to?
  • Running time

Looks like these need to be added.

yes–definitely need composer because they are usually formatted as
"authors" on classical recordings.

  • Repository

Should be mapped to “archive,” I think.

definitely

  • rights

Not sure we need this in the citation(?)

i don’t think this is used in citations

Missing styles

Reviews seem common - film reviews, tv progs, concerts etc.
3. Ben Brantley, review of Our Lady of Sligo, by Sebastian Barry,
directed by Max Stafford-Clark, Irish Repertory Theater, New
York,New York Times, April 21, 2000, Weekend section.

This probably requires a hierarchical item model. Otherwise, how are
we to determine whether “Our Lady of Sligo” should be italicized or
put in quotation marks?

perhaps “review” could be a new item type within a hierarchical model

elena

I’ve been busy, and still don’t have answers for all of these, but
thought I should post something …

Simon Kornblith wrote:

Audio recording

  • Only the performer is mapped as author. Composer, and
    contributor, words by are not available. I wonder what these might
    be mapped to?
  • Running time

Looks like these need to be added.

I’d like to suggest we change “page” to “pages”, and consider running
time another similar kind of extent variable.

But I wonder: does this open up any potential complications? Do we treat
time as just a simple string?

  • Repository

Should be mapped to “archive,” I think.

  • Loc. in Archive

We’ve been discussing this in another thread.

Yes, and already resolved.

  • rights

Not sure we need this in the citation(?)

No.

A number of these apply to some of the below too.

Bill

  • no mapping for Bill number, session - both of which are required
    by Chicago. I can’t see an obvious CSL destination

Bill number should be mapped to “number;” session could be mapped to
"event."

That doesn’t feel right. I think of session as something like a volume
number. Perhaps we need to just add “session”? I can’t think of a more
generic term that still fits.

Book and chapter

  • no mapping for series editor - I found a use for this in one style
    I encountered. It could be mapped to something existing but might be
    better as a new author type in CSL.

Looks like these need to be added.

Case (legal)

  • Court isn’t mapped which Chicago requires - could be mapped to
    location? Although some cases required publication details.

Maybe “event”/“event-place”? Neither of these are quite intuitive.

No. Need to think on this some more.

Conference Paper

  • Conference name is not mapped, container-title might be a possible
    destination.

This should probably be mapped to “event.”

Correct.

Film, TV, video and Radio

  • Only director is mapped (to author). I think producer and
    scriptwriter would be useful, but not sure what they should target

Looks like these need to be added.

“Producer” is a little ambiguous here. Is it the person, or an
organization (like a publisher or distributor)?

Hearing

  • Chicago suggests the Committee is the author, although this isn’t
    mapped. The only author zotero allows is Contributor which maps to
    Author but doesn’t feel right.

Not quite sure what to do about this one.

I don’t see a problem on the CSL end. The committee is the author.

Interview

  • Interviewer is not mapped - there is a new CSL target for this now
    I think.

Letter

  • Recipient isn’t mapped, should use the new CSL attribute for this.

Both of these exist now in CSL. They just need to be mapped in Zotero.

Newspaper.

  • the section part could do with a destination in CSL. This has come
    up in a number of styles.

Looks like we need to add this.

Patent

  • the patent no is the most important missing part - not sure what
    CSL element this would be
  • Issue date is also required (as separate from filing date).
    e.g. Petroff, M. D., and M. G. Stapelbroek. 1980. Blocked impurity
    band detectors. US Patent 4,586,960, filed Oct. 23, 1980, and issued
    Feb. 4, 1986.

Patent # should be mapped to “number.”

Correct.

Filing date should probably
become “event,” but “event” needs to be renamed so that it doesn’t
conflict with the “event” text variable (as long as it does, it can’t
be used in conditionals).

It seems to me this is a “date”, and perhaps a more generic "submission"
variable would work?

Missing styles

Reviews seem common - film reviews, tv progs, concerts etc.
3. Ben Brantley, review of Our Lady of Sligo, by Sebastian Barry,
directed by Max Stafford-Clark, Irish Repertory Theater, New
York,New York Times, April 21, 2000, Weekend section.

This probably requires a hierarchical item model. Otherwise, how are
we to determine whether “Our Lady of Sligo” should be italicized or
put in quotation marks?

This seems like a PITA in the flatter model we’re not using in CSL.

Bible seems to be very common with its own format - as in
6. 2 Kings 11:8 (New Revised Standard Version).
Qu’ran too (Qur’ an 19:17–21) and others.

Not sure what to do about this, since adding a “Bible” item type would
probably not make sense. For now, biblical scholars will have to use
the citation editor.

I’m not following the problem here. Julian?

Bruce

Bible seems to be very common with its own format - as in
6. 2 Kings 11:8 (New Revised Standard Version).
Qu’ran too (Qur’ an 19:17–21) and others.

Not sure what to do about this, since adding a “Bible” item type would
probably not make sense. For now, biblical scholars will have to use
the citation editor.

I’m not following the problem here. Julian?

OK - the problem is how do I input it, and how do I format it?

Say I want to reference Matthew chapter 26. verse 2-5. Typically something
like Chicago will want this as (Mt 26:2–5) inline (author-date format) and
perhaps
Matthew 26:2-5 (New Revised Standard Version).
in a Bibliography.

So how do we break this down?
Author = Mathew?
Volume= 26?
Issue = 5?
container-title = New Revised Standard Edition?
is one way.
What type is it? Chapter in a book seems the closest, but doesn’t have an
issue, and it would be formatted as

Matthew. In New Revised Standard Version, Vol. 26 of.

following the Chicago current CSL - as you can’t distinguish it from any
other book chapter.

There is a whole style guide to biblical referencing -
https://www.sbl-site.org/PDF/SBLHS_SS92804_Revised_ed.pdf being a sort of
condensed version.

Anyway - if you want to try and format such things according to Chicago, or
SBL you are stuck, or have to abuse another little used format that has
enough scope perhaps.

So - that in essence is the problem :slight_smile:
Julian.

Yes, I meant the “event” date variable, but the way the schema is
currently written, the text and date variables have the same name,
which mucks up conditionals. We should do something about this. Shall
I just change this to “event-date”?

Simon

Simon Kornblith wrote:> On Nov 16, 2007, at 7:41 AM, Bruce D’Arcus wrote:

Filing date should probably
become “event,” but “event” needs to be renamed so that it doesn’t
conflict with the “event” text variable (as long as it does, it can’t
be used in conditionals).
It seems to me this is a “date”, and perhaps a more generic
"submission"
variable would work?

Yes, I meant the “event” date variable, but the way the schema is
currently written, the text and date variables have the same name,
which mucks up conditionals. We should do something about this. Shall
I just change this to “event-date”?

Sure.

Bruce

Actually, “director” should not be mapped to “author” in Zotero–
directors are included in citations but are not cited as primary
authors:

CMS 17.273 http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/ch17/ch17_sec273.html

  1. “Crop Duster Attack,” North by Northwest, DVD, directed by Alfred
    Hitchcock (1959; Burbank, CA: Warner Home Video, 2000).

So “director” needs to be added to CSL on its own, like "recipient"
and “interviewer.”

Best,
Elena