Hello,
I currently don’t have access to the server hosting
citationstyles.org. Ammon Shepherd from CHNM installed and maintains
the domain’s WordPress installation, and I presume any requests for
changes to the website (once we agree on what those should be) should
primarily be directed to Dan Stillman. Related, I have asked Dan if he
ok, I’m sure that when we agree what we want we will be able to do it,
somehow (since the CSL Editor doesn’t need anything out of common).
Regarding my opinion about hosting the editor on citationstyles.org:
I’m impressed by the progress made by Steve. The “Search by name” and
“Search by example” tools are useful and quite straightforward to use.
But with regard to the Visual editor, I really would like to see some
accompanying documentation before giving my full support for hosting
the editor on citationstyles.org. I think it would be very useful to
In Mendeley we want to do (video or written) some documentation.
Maybe having the editor available to everyone would speed up the
process or the documentation, since different people could contribute.
See the thread http://xbiblio-devel.2463403.n2.nabble.com/csl-training-ideas-for-methods-good-practice-etc-td7578250.html
(and perhaps Sebastian Karcher’s email
http://xbiblio-devel.2463403.n2.nabble.com/csl-training-ideas-for-methods-good-practice-etc-tp7578250p7578255.html
). The CSL Editor could be useful in some CSL course where we could
get some feedback and maybe some documentation could be generated as
part of the course.
(this doesn’t mean that we should not do some documentation ASAP in
Mendeley or here in xbiblio-devel users).
provide instructions on how to make some basic style modifications
that demonstrate the various features (and, perhaps, also the
limitations) of the editor. I know that there are already people that
have used the editor with success, but I personally find the editor
hard to use for anything more than small edits that don’t affect the
overall structure of the style (my biggest problem is that I find the
left-hand column much less informative/readable than the raw XML). If
your own experiences are different, it would be valuable to describe
those.
During the project we did some user testing to users who didn’t know
about CSL. If I remember correctly we (Steve R or myself) sent to here
the tasks that we asked them to do (I couldn’t find it now… but I
remember discussing it).
Some of the tasks were simple changes in CSL styles (other tasks were
search a CSL style, etc.):
“23. Edit the style for the Journal of Community Health to put the
inline citation between parentheses: ( ) instead of square brackets: [
].”, "
“24. Replace the comma between the inline citation numbers with an
ampersand: &.”
“25. Make the inline citation bold.”
“26. Give the Author names in the bibliography small-caps formatting.”
The user testing was done to 5 users (we wanted to do another round of
usability testing/online one but we ran out of time). I’ve just
re-read the Testing Notes and it went quite well to these tasks (the
point 24. was the weaker because the users had problems to add more
citations).
We chose these tasks after reading and summarising support queries to
Mendeley support (I think that it’s quite aligned with the Zotero’s
forum questions). We found that the majority of the requests says “I
want this style but with this small change” (because some particular
need) or “This style has this problem, how can I fix it?”.
I don’t think that the CSL Editor is useful to create styles from the
scratch (I hope that with the current number of styles no one will
think a completely new approach to cite!), and probably it’s not very
useful to do major changes to the styles.