# using "in" instead of "and" to separate authors

**URL:** <https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/using-in-instead-of-and-to-separate-authors/1146>\
**Category:** CSL Development\
**Created:** [November 30, 2012, 12:30pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/using-in-instead-of-and-to-separate-authors/1146 "2012-11-30T12:30:10Z")\
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**Author:** ![Carles\_Pina](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dbc845/32.png) [@Carles\_Pina](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Carles_Pina)\
**Post date:** [November 30, 2012, 12:30pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/using-in-instead-of-and-to-separate-authors/1146/1 "2012-11-30T12:30:10Z")

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Hi,

I don’t know the final use case, but one of our users would like to  
use “in” instead of “and” in some inline citations. Like “(Smith and  
Murphy)” would be “(Smith in Murphy)”.

## I read: [http://citationstyles.org/downloads/specification.html#name----](http://citationstyles.org/downloads/specification.html#name----) and Specifies the delimiter between the second to last and last name of the names in a name variable. Allowed values are “text” (selects the “and” term, e.g. “Doe, Johnson and Smith”) and “symbol” (selects the ampersand, e.g. “Doe, Johnson & Smith”).

I’ll get more information about the use case. I wonder if some of you  
have thought about it.

Regards,

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**Author:** ![Sebastian\_Karcher](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.citationstyles.org/sebastian_karcher/32/176_2.png) [@Sebastian\_Karcher](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Sebastian_Karcher)\
**Post date:** [November 30, 2012, 1:13pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/using-in-instead-of-and-to-separate-authors/1146/2 "2012-11-30T13:13:57Z")

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some citations or all citations?  
For all citations, it’d be easily possible to just change the term in the  
style. But for some citation we’d need a trigger of some sort that would  
have to be send and understood by CSL and that’s not currently possible  
(and I’d say probably not something we’d want to do?).  
I imagine the use case is a “cited in” type scenario - but if we do want to  
address that (and it does come up a fair amount esp. in the humanities) I  
imagine we’d want something cleaner & more comprehensiveOn Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Carles Pina \<@Carles\_Pina\>wrote:

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**Author:** ![Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Bruce_D_Arcus1)\
**Post date:** [November 30, 2012, 2:15pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/using-in-instead-of-and-to-separate-authors/1146/3 "2012-11-30T14:15:04Z")

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The use case is indirect citation. I cite Doe, who is citing (or more  
commonly quoting) Smith.

So either we cover this:

1. now, using a free text prefix
2. we add a new feature to processors to support this

Bruce

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**Author:** ![Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Bruce_D_Arcus1)\
**Post date:** [November 30, 2012, 2:15pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/using-in-instead-of-and-to-separate-authors/1146/4 "2012-11-30T14:15:35Z")

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**Author:** ![Charles\_Parnot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/57b2e6/32.png) [@Charles\_Parnot](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Charles_Parnot)\
**Post date:** [November 30, 2012, 2:17pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/using-in-instead-of-and-to-separate-authors/1146/5 "2012-11-30T14:17:41Z")

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Agreed: for now, custom prefix will be a workaround. For full support, you need extra variables (if I understand correctly.