# Implementation questions SAA style

**URL:** <https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/implementation-questions-saa-style/517>\
**Category:** CSL Development\
**Created:** [November 3, 2008, 9:28pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/implementation-questions-saa-style/517 "2008-11-03T21:28:48Z")\
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**Author:** ![Rintze\_Zelle1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Rintze\_Zelle1](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Rintze_Zelle1)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 9:28pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/implementation-questions-saa-style/517/1 "2008-11-03T21:28:48Z")

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The SAA style ([http://www.saa.org/Publications/StyleGuide/styleGuide.pdf](http://www.saa.org/Publications/StyleGuide/styleGuide.pdf)) is  
quite a tricky one. Some questions/remarks about things which I was unable  
to implement:

- In an entry in the bibliography, the authors should be listed separately  
on the first line (see e.g. page 24 of the guide), and the rest on a new  
line which indents. I discovered that I could use the 'display=“block”'  
attribute for the authors-output, but when hanging-indent is set to true,  
this also indents the author-output (it should be flush with the left). Is  
there a way to force a new line, while the first line doesn’t indent, and  
the second does? An example that shows the problem:

- In case there are multiple authors with the same name, the style wants the  
authors to be distinguished by including only their first initials: “Note:  
When two authors with the same surname and the same year published are  
cited, the first initial of each author is added to prevent ambiguity.”  
(page 16)  
I guess that if these initials also are the same, more initials should be  
shown, but that case isn’t mentioned. I guess this can’t currently be  
implemented in a CSL style with “disambiguate-add-givenname”.

- If two different authors with the same surname published in different  
years, the style does not want their names to be distinguished (so it should  
be just “(Smith 1982; Smith 1987)”, page 16). If  
"disambiguate-add-givenname" is set to true though, initials/first names are  
added even when the year of issue is different.

Rintze

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**Author:** ![Simon\_Kornblith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Simon\_Kornblith](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Simon_Kornblith)\
**Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 7:08pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/implementation-questions-saa-style/517/2 "2008-11-06T19:08:25Z")

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> - In an entry in the bibliography, the authors should be listed  
> separately on the first line (see e.g. page 24 of the guide), and  
> the rest on a new line which indents. I discovered that I could use  
> the ‘display=“block”’ attribute for the authors-output, but when  
> hanging-indent is set to true, this also indents the author-output  
> (it should be flush with the left). Is there a way to force a new  
> line, while the first line doesn’t indent, and the second does? An  
> example that shows the problem:

I’ll change this behavior in Zotero. Wasn’t quite sure whether to have  
the hanging indent or not when I implemented this.

> - In case there are multiple authors with the same name, the style  
> wants the authors to be distinguished by including only their first  
> initials: “Note: When two authors with the same surname and the same  
> year published are cited, the first initial of each author is added  
> to prevent ambiguity.” (page 16)  
> I guess that if these initials also are the same, more initials  
> should be shown, but that case isn’t mentioned. I guess this can’t  
> currently be implemented in a CSL style with “disambiguate-add-  
> givenname”.
> 
> - If two different authors with the same surname published in  
> different years, the style does not want their names to be  
> distinguished (so it should be just “(Smith 1982; Smith 1987)”, page  
> 16). If “disambiguate-add-givenname” is set to true though, initials/  
> first names are added even when the year of issue is different.

We could add a few more options to “disambiguate-add-givenname” to  
handle these kinds of cases.

Simon

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**Author:** ![Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Bruce_D_Arcus1)\
**Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 7:31pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/implementation-questions-saa-style/517/3 "2008-11-06T19:31:09Z")

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I don’t exactly understand the original question, but I suggest we  
formalize any change of this sort with comments in the schema. What  
would this rule be?

Bruce

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**Author:** ![Rintze\_Zelle](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.citationstyles.org/rintze_zelle/32/175_2.png) [@Rintze\_Zelle](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Rintze_Zelle)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 8:44pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/implementation-questions-saa-style/517/4 "2008-11-08T20:44:57Z")

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> I don’t exactly understand the original question, but I suggest we  
> formalize any change of this sort with comments in the schema. What  
> would this rule be?

After my first email on this mailing list on this topic, I realized it is  
just a problem within Zotero. I think the schema is just fine. I posted some  
more info here:

> **[Double indentations in citations generated with Zotero](https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/4617/double-indentations-in-citations-generated-with-zotero/)**
>
> I first reported this problem on the xbiblio mailing-list\*, but I figured out it is really a Zotero bug.

Rintze