# "ibid" equiv cites for parenthetical styles?

**URL:** <https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/ibid-equiv-cites-for-parenthetical-styles/1237>\
**Category:** CSL Development\
**Created:** [September 24, 2014, 5:31pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/ibid-equiv-cites-for-parenthetical-styles/1237 "2014-09-24T17:31:15Z")\
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**Author:** ![Joseph\_Reagle](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.citationstyles.org/joseph_reagle/32/319_2.png) [@Joseph\_Reagle](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Joseph_Reagle)\
**Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 5:31pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/ibid-equiv-cites-for-parenthetical-styles/1237/1 "2014-09-24T17:31:15Z")

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Presently I do this manually, which is a nuisance. In the pandoc below,  
I would like the second citations to be rendered without the author and  
year as “(p. 9)”. There is no intervening citation between it and the  
first citation hence one can assume that “(p. 9)” is bound to the  
earlier “Williams (1976: 9)”.

```auto
Later, as an academic, Williams [-@Williams1976kvc, p. 9] began
collecting words and exploring their histories and usage; this would
manifest in his 1976 book *Keywords: A Vocabulary of Culture and
Society*. He wrote that this book wasn't a glossary of a particular
academic subject nor a series footnotes on the history of the
dictionary: "It is, rather, the record of an inquiry into a vocabulary:
a shared body of words and meanings." Most compellingly, these keywords
shape how we approach "certain activities and their interpretation" and
are indicative of "certain forms of thought"; conversely, they can also
"open up issues and problems" which need greater attention
[@Williams1976kvc, p. 9].

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1. Is it possible to do this?
2. Would this be a CSL, style, or pandoc issue?

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**Author:** ![Sebastian\_Karcher](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.citationstyles.org/sebastian_karcher/32/176_2.png) [@Sebastian\_Karcher](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Sebastian_Karcher)\
**Post date:** [September 24, 2014, 6:04pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/ibid-equiv-cites-for-parenthetical-styles/1237/2 "2014-09-24T18:04:27Z")

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You can do that in CSL by just using if position="ibid-with-locator"  
and then only rendering the locator macro.

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**Author:** ![Joseph\_Reagle](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.citationstyles.org/joseph_reagle/32/319_2.png) [@Joseph\_Reagle](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Joseph_Reagle)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2014, 1:58pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/ibid-equiv-cites-for-parenthetical-styles/1237/3 "2014-09-25T13:58:05Z")

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> You can do that in CSL by just using if position=“ibid-with-locator”  
> and then only rendering the locator macro.

Could you point me to a parenthetical style that does this? I’ve only  
seen “ibid-with-locator” used with notes.

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**Author:** ![Sebastian\_Karcher](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.citationstyles.org/sebastian_karcher/32/176_2.png) [@Sebastian\_Karcher](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Sebastian_Karcher)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2014, 2:03pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/ibid-equiv-cites-for-parenthetical-styles/1237/4 "2014-09-25T14:03:10Z")

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> <https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/blob/master/osterreichische-zeitschrift-fur-politikwissenschaft.csl>

  
they render ibid. (or rather ebd.) explicitly, but that’s the idea and  
you can just take it out and remove the condition for ibid without a  
locator entirely (since that would give you an empty citation, which  
you never want).

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**Author:** ![Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Bruce_D_Arcus1)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2014, 2:11pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/ibid-equiv-cites-for-parenthetical-styles/1237/5 "2014-09-25T14:11:23Z")

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I’m going to suggest a simpler solution: just use plain text for that.  
That’s what I do.

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**Author:** ![Sebastian\_Karcher](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.citationstyles.org/sebastian_karcher/32/176_2.png) [@Sebastian\_Karcher](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Sebastian_Karcher)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2014, 2:20pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/ibid-equiv-cites-for-parenthetical-styles/1237/6 "2014-09-25T14:20:07Z")

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it´s what I do, too, but if you´re moving back and forth between  
parenthetical and footnote styles it´s not good enough and I figured  
Joseph had thought of adding it by hand himself before asking 😉

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**Author:** ![Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Bruce_D_Arcus1)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2014, 2:33pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/ibid-equiv-cites-for-parenthetical-styles/1237/7 "2014-09-25T14:33:51Z")

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Yeah, just making sure he was thinking about it.

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**Author:** ![Aurimas\_Vinckevicius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e47774/32.png) [@Aurimas\_Vinckevicius](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Aurimas_Vinckevicius)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2014, 2:37pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/ibid-equiv-cites-for-parenthetical-styles/1237/8 "2014-09-25T14:37:39Z")

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This also makes things work magically if you remove the first citation.

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**Author:** ![Joseph\_Reagle](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.citationstyles.org/joseph_reagle/32/319_2.png) [@Joseph\_Reagle](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Joseph_Reagle)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2014, 3:23pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/ibid-equiv-cites-for-parenthetical-styles/1237/9 "2014-09-25T15:23:37Z")

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As I said, I already do it manually, but the above would be another benefit.