# How use ibid with new schema?

**URL:** <https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/how-use-ibid-with-new-schema/319>\
**Category:** CSL Development\
**Created:** [August 26, 2007, 11:44am UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/how-use-ibid-with-new-schema/319 "2007-08-26T11:44:31Z")\
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**Author:** ![Mihai\_Tur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Mihai\_Tur](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Mihai_Tur)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 11:44am UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/how-use-ibid-with-new-schema/319/1 "2007-08-26T11:44:31Z")

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Hi,  
Can everyone show me how use position=“ibid” with new schema?  
What’s wrong with that:

I try to make a style with the new schema, but I can’t. Where the  
Chicago without bibliography style (new schema) will be available for  
download?  
Thank you,  
Mihai

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**Author:** ![Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Bruce_D_Arcus1)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 1:37pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/how-use-ibid-with-new-schema/319/2 "2007-08-26T13:37:56Z")

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It seems like you’re doing it right. I think we’ll have to wait on  
Simon to comment, since this was a change he made. It could be a bug  
in his code.

It might just be me, but I do find it a little odd to call “ibid” a  
"position", though.

Also, Mihai, one thing I’d point out to you is that you’re template  
there is awfully long, and it looks like there might be a lot of  
duplication. The new schema allows you to make things more compact  
typically, and it’s good to take advantage of that when you can.

As for a new version of Chicago, I don’t know. Simon offered to write  
some code to convert old styles to new, but hasn’t had time. I do  
think it would be a good idea for people to convert the old styles to  
test the schema, but I just don’t have much time these days.

Bruce

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**Author:** ![Mihai\_Tur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Mihai\_Tur](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Mihai_Tur)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 3:34pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/how-use-ibid-with-new-schema/319/3 "2007-08-26T15:34:10Z")

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Thank you very much, Bruce,  
and succes!  
Mihai

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**Author:** ![Simon\_Kornblith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Simon\_Kornblith](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Simon_Kornblith)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 7:25pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/how-use-ibid-with-new-schema/319/4 "2007-08-26T19:25:14Z")

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There probably is a bug in my code (which will be fixed as soon as I  
commit my latest patch to SVN), but, at least as everything is  
currently implemented, position=“subsequent” is also true if  
position=“ibid” is true. Thus, the section  
should come before .

If you have an idea for making this more intuitive, please let me know.

Simon

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**Author:** ![Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Bruce_D_Arcus1)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 7:56pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/how-use-ibid-with-new-schema/319/5 "2007-08-26T19:56:48Z")

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Simon Kornblith wrote:

> If you have an idea for making this more intuitive, please let me know.

In English, we’d say:

- if first, then x
- else
  - if ibid y
  - else z

So translating that into the current draft, I would assume:

 ... ... ... 

Right?

If I was going to change the encoding, it would be to add something like  
“condition”. E.g. . Not sure that’s necessary though.

Bruce

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**Author:** ![Mihai\_Tur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Mihai\_Tur](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Mihai_Tur)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2007, 3:40am UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/how-use-ibid-with-new-schema/319/6 "2007-08-27T03:40:27Z")

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I’ve made a test: with APA style, I’ve modified the code for citation  
like bellow. The result: ibid doesn’t work at all!!!  
Bruce, have you tested ibid with a style? I think it doesn’t work with  
new schema…  
Here is my code:

Mihai