# How to add "no place"/"sine loco" and "no publisher"/"sine nomine"

**URL:** <https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/how-to-add-no-place-sine-loco-and-no-publisher-sine-nomine/1757>\
**Category:** CSL Usage\
**Created:** [April 6, 2022, 12:04pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/how-to-add-no-place-sine-loco-and-no-publisher-sine-nomine/1757 "2022-04-06T12:04:18Z")\
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**Author:** ![sanerski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@sanerski](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/sanerski)\
**Post date:** [April 6, 2022, 12:04pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/how-to-add-no-place-sine-loco-and-no-publisher-sine-nomine/1757/1 "2022-04-06T12:04:18Z")

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Hi there,

I’m a new user and also relatively new to editing CSL.

I’d like to add sine loco (or no place) and sine nomine (or no publisher) into my edited CMOS-17 CSL so that it may match my uni’s citation style. Unfortunately, when I try to add, for example \< text value=“s.l.”/ \> to macro: publisher, or another attempt by making new macro failed.

What I’d like to see:  
Doe, John. _The Title_. s.l.: s.n., s.a. or Doe, John. _The Title_. s.l.: s.n., 2022.

but my citation software (Zotero and Mendeley) gave me:  
Doe, John. _The Title_. s.a. or Doe, John. _Title_. 2022.

or when the place of publication is known:  
Doe, John. _The Title_. Place of Publication: s.a.

Any advice?

Thanks in advance.

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**Author:** ![Denis\_Maier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8491ac/32.png) [@Denis\_Maier](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Denis_Maier)\
**Post date:** [April 6, 2022, 12:41pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/how-to-add-no-place-sine-loco-and-no-publisher-sine-nomine/1757/2 "2022-04-06T12:41:45Z")

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Difficult to help without more information. Can you provide your style, e.g. via [https://pastebin.com/](https://pastebin.com/) ?

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**Author:** ![Sebastian\_Karcher](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.citationstyles.org/sebastian_karcher/32/176_2.png) [@Sebastian\_Karcher](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Sebastian_Karcher)\
**Post date:** [April 6, 2022, 1:40pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/how-to-add-no-place-sine-loco-and-no-publisher-sine-nomine/1757/3 "2022-04-06T13:40:11Z")

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I agree we’d want sample code to say more, but I’m guessing you’re seeing the implicit test behavior of groups. If a group has both variables and terms/values and all the variables are empty, the terms/values aren’t rendered. [CSL 1.0.2 Specification — Citation Style Language 1.0.1-dev documentation](https://docs.citationstyles.org/en/stable/specification.html#group)

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**Author:** ![bwiernik](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.citationstyles.org/bwiernik/32/438_2.png) [@bwiernik](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/bwiernik)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2022, 4:00pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/how-to-add-no-place-sine-loco-and-no-publisher-sine-nomine/1757/4 "2022-04-12T16:00:54Z")

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Also note that you will probably want to use the no-place and no-publisher terms, rather than hard-coding text values