# CSL editor instance in http://citationstyles.org?

**URL:** <https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-editor-instance-in-http-citationstyles-org/1135>\
**Category:** CSL Development\
**Created:** [October 10, 2012, 10:54am UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-editor-instance-in-http-citationstyles-org/1135 "2012-10-10T10:54:05Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 15\
**Page:** 1

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Carles\_Pina](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dbc845/32.png) [@Carles\_Pina](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Carles_Pina)\
**Post date:** [October 10, 2012, 10:54am UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-editor-instance-in-http-citationstyles-org/1135/1 "2012-10-10T10:54:05Z")

</div>

Hi,

Here at Mendeley we are working to integrate the CSL editor with our  
desktop application.

But I still think that would make sense to have an instance of the CSL  
editor which one is not reference manager specific. In some place like  
[http://citationstyles.org/editor](http://citationstyles.org/editor)

Reference managers could send the users to this CSL editor instance  
instead of the [http://steveridout.com/csl/visualEditor/](http://steveridout.com/csl/visualEditor/) . And maybe  
Steve Ridout would like to not host it endless 🙂

I feel that it’s important to keep the editor used by a wide  
community, to get feedback and ideas to improve it, bugs, etc. and  
also to build a community around it to see what next could happen.

I’m happy to assist or install the editor in some server (I’ve done in  
a couple of test servers here). It requires an Apache, PHP server.  
Mysql not needed. The editor is mainly all done in Javascript. It’s  
not complicated to install. If you want some help just write to me in  
private (instructions

> <https://github.com/citation-style-language/csl-editor-demo-site/blob/master/README.md>

  
but some experience may be handy).

Is this possible? Does some of you think that could be useful?

Regards,–  
Carles Pina | Software Engineer

> **[Carles Pina | Mendeley](https://www.mendeley.com/profiles/Carles-Pina/)**
>
> Connect and collaborate with Carles Pina at Swiss Polar Institute on Mendeley.

Mendeley Limited | London, UK | [www.mendeley.com](http://www.mendeley.com)  
Registered in England and Wales | Company Number 6419015

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Bruce_D_Arcus1)\
**Post date:** [October 10, 2012, 1:23pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-editor-instance-in-http-citationstyles-org/1135/2 "2012-10-10T13:23:58Z")

</div>

I definitely think it’d be a good idea. The site is hosted by the Zotero  
guys. Am not sure whether we need their help to get it setup (perhaps not  
because no db), or whether Rintze could do it (with help)?

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Rintze\_Zelle](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.citationstyles.org/rintze_zelle/32/175_2.png) [@Rintze\_Zelle](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Rintze_Zelle)\
**Post date:** [October 10, 2012, 3:06pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-editor-instance-in-http-citationstyles-org/1135/3 "2012-10-10T15:06:46Z")

</div>

I currently don’t have access to the server hosting  
[citationstyles.org](http://citationstyles.org). Ammon Shepherd from CHNM installed and maintains  
the domain’s WordPress installation, and I presume any requests for  
changes to the website (once we agree on what those should be) should  
primarily be directed to Dan Stillman. Related, I have asked Dan if he  
would consider moving or mirroring the (Zotero) Style Repository to/at  
[citationstyles.org/styles](http://citationstyles.org/styles) (which I think would help reduce the  
perception of CSL as being a Zotero-specific product), but haven’t  
received a response.

Regarding my opinion about hosting the editor on [citationstyles.org](http://citationstyles.org):  
I’m impressed by the progress made by Steve. The “Search by name” and  
"Search by example" tools are useful and quite straightforward to use.  
But with regard to the Visual editor, I really would like to see some  
accompanying documentation before giving my full support for hosting  
the editor on [citationstyles.org](http://citationstyles.org). I think it would be very useful to  
provide instructions on how to make some basic style modifications  
that demonstrate the various features (and, perhaps, also the  
limitations) of the editor. I know that there are already people that  
have used the editor with success, but I personally find the editor  
hard to use for anything more than small edits that don’t affect the  
overall structure of the style (my biggest problem is that I find the  
left-hand column much less informative/readable than the raw XML). If  
your own experiences are different, it would be valuable to describe  
those.

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Carles\_Pina](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dbc845/32.png) [@Carles\_Pina](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Carles_Pina)\
**Post date:** [October 11, 2012, 10:25am UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-editor-instance-in-http-citationstyles-org/1135/4 "2012-10-11T10:25:19Z")

</div>

Hello,

> I currently don’t have access to the server hosting  
> [citationstyles.org](http://citationstyles.org). Ammon Shepherd from CHNM installed and maintains  
> the domain’s WordPress installation, and I presume any requests for  
> changes to the website (once we agree on what those should be) should  
> primarily be directed to Dan Stillman. Related, I have asked Dan if he

ok, I’m sure that when we agree what we want we will be able to do it,  
somehow (since the CSL Editor doesn’t need anything out of common).

> Regarding my opinion about hosting the editor on [citationstyles.org](http://citationstyles.org):  
> I’m impressed by the progress made by Steve. The “Search by name” and  
> “Search by example” tools are useful and quite straightforward to use.  
> But with regard to the Visual editor, I really would like to see some  
> accompanying documentation before giving my full support for hosting  
> the editor on [citationstyles.org](http://citationstyles.org). I think it would be very useful to

In Mendeley we want to do (video or written) some documentation.

Maybe having the editor available to everyone would speed up the  
process or the documentation, since different people could contribute.  
See the thread [http://xbiblio-devel.2463403.n2.nabble.com/csl-training-ideas-for-methods-good-practice-etc-td7578250.html](http://xbiblio-devel.2463403.n2.nabble.com/csl-training-ideas-for-methods-good-practice-etc-td7578250.html)  
(and perhaps Sebastian Karcher’s email  
[http://xbiblio-devel.2463403.n2.nabble.com/csl-training-ideas-for-methods-good-practice-etc-tp7578250p7578255.html](http://xbiblio-devel.2463403.n2.nabble.com/csl-training-ideas-for-methods-good-practice-etc-tp7578250p7578255.html)  
). The CSL Editor could be useful in some CSL course where we could  
get some feedback and maybe some documentation could be generated as  
part of the course.

(this doesn’t mean that we should not do some documentation ASAP in  
Mendeley or here in xbiblio-devel users).

> provide instructions on how to make some basic style modifications  
> that demonstrate the various features (and, perhaps, also the  
> limitations) of the editor. I know that there are already people that  
> have used the editor with success, but I personally find the editor  
> hard to use for anything more than small edits that don’t affect the  
> overall structure of the style (my biggest problem is that I find the  
> left-hand column much less informative/readable than the raw XML). If  
> your own experiences are different, it would be valuable to describe  
> those.

During the project we did some user testing to users who didn’t know  
about CSL. If I remember correctly we (Steve R or myself) sent to here  
the tasks that we asked them to do (I couldn’t find it now… but I  
remember discussing it).

Some of the tasks were simple changes in CSL styles (other tasks were  
search a CSL style, etc.):  
“23. Edit the style for the Journal of Community Health to put the  
inline citation between parentheses: ( ) instead of square brackets: [  
].”, "  
“24. Replace the comma between the inline citation numbers with an  
ampersand: &.”  
“25. Make the inline citation bold.”  
“26. Give the Author names in the bibliography small-caps formatting.”

The user testing was done to 5 users (we wanted to do another round of  
usability testing/online one but we ran out of time). I’ve just  
re-read the Testing Notes and it went quite well to these tasks (the  
point 24. was the weaker because the users had problems to add more  
citations).

We chose these tasks after reading and summarising support queries to  
Mendeley support (I think that it’s quite aligned with the Zotero’s  
forum questions). We found that the majority of the requests says “I  
want this style but with this small change” (because some particular  
need) or “This style has this problem, how can I fix it?”.

I don’t think that the CSL Editor is useful to create styles from the  
scratch (I hope that with the current number of styles no one will  
think a completely new approach to cite!), and probably it’s not very  
useful to do major changes to the styles.

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Robert\_Knight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ba9def/32.png) [@Robert\_Knight](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Robert_Knight)\
**Post date:** [October 11, 2012, 10:45am UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-editor-instance-in-http-citationstyles-org/1135/5 "2012-10-11T10:45:23Z")

</div>

> We chose these tasks after reading and summarising  
> support queries to Mendeley support

These queries are a mix of private emails and public posts on  
[http://support.mendeley.com/](http://support.mendeley.com/) and [http://feedback.mendeley.com](http://feedback.mendeley.com)

Regards,  
Rob.

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Bruce_D_Arcus1)\
**Post date:** [October 11, 2012, 12:43pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-editor-instance-in-http-citationstyles-org/1135/6 "2012-10-11T12:43:38Z")

</div>

…

> We chose these tasks after reading and summarising support queries to  
> Mendeley support (I think that it’s quite aligned with the Zotero’s  
> forum questions). We found that the majority of the requests says “I  
> want this style but with this small change” (because some particular  
> need) or “This style has this problem, how can I fix it?”.
> 
> I don’t think that the CSL Editor is useful to create styles from the  
> scratch (I hope that with the current number of styles no one will  
> think a completely new approach to cite!), and probably it’s not very  
> useful to do major changes to the styles.

Wouldn’t you agree, then, that this research suggests that a  
productive next step for developers to explore would be something  
higher-level to capture both of these classes of use cases: the simple  
minor change in formatting, and the more radical “major changes”  
(though I’m skeptical these actually exist when you consider the full  
range of extant styles)?

E.g. for the first case, from the user perspective: see example  
possibilities, and choose which they want?

Bruce

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Rintze\_Zelle](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.citationstyles.org/rintze_zelle/32/175_2.png) [@Rintze\_Zelle](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Rintze_Zelle)\
**Post date:** [October 11, 2012, 1:27pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-editor-instance-in-http-citationstyles-org/1135/7 "2012-10-11T13:27:27Z")

</div>

> Some of the tasks were simple changes in CSL styles (other tasks were  
> search a CSL style, etc.):  
> “23. Edit the style for the Journal of Community Health to put the  
> inline citation between parentheses: ( ) instead of square brackets: [  
> ].”, "  
> “24. Replace the comma between the inline citation numbers with an  
> ampersand: &.”  
> “25. Make the inline citation bold.”  
> “26. Give the Author names in the bibliography small-caps formatting.”

Do any of these cases require use of the XML tree? I’m wondering if it  
wouldn’t be clearer to hide it by default, since you’re mostly  
focusing on facilitating minor edits.

> > do I make a date localize?"), and then focus on the CSL XML needed to  
> > meet that goal. I like the idea, but it would be a significant  
> > undertaking, probably matching or exceeding the specification in size.
> 
> it also would require some extra-effort for users who never wrote XML,  
> they don’t know what is an element/attribute, need to validate the  
> styles…

Yes, but there will always be a class of power users that isn’t afraid  
of hand-editing XML. Reducing the amount of time these users need to  
invest to get familiar with CSL seems worthwhile. I see it more as a  
parallel approach to the CSL editor, which is more aimed at casual  
users.

> Documentation needs to be done, I agree.

Where would we host it? The GitHub wiki?  
([Home · citation-style-language/csl-editor Wiki · GitHub](https://github.com/citation-style-editor/csl-editor/wiki))

Rintze

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Carles\_Pina](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dbc845/32.png) [@Carles\_Pina](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Carles_Pina)\
**Post date:** [October 11, 2012, 1:58pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-editor-instance-in-http-citationstyles-org/1135/8 "2012-10-11T13:58:23Z")

</div>

Hi,

> …
> 
> > We chose these tasks after reading and summarising support queries to  
> > Mendeley support (I think that it’s quite aligned with the Zotero’s  
> > forum questions). We found that the majority of the requests says “I  
> > want this style but with this small change” (because some particular  
> > need) or “This style has this problem, how can I fix it?”.
> > 
> > I don’t think that the CSL Editor is useful to create styles from the  
> > scratch (I hope that with the current number of styles no one will  
> > think a completely new approach to cite!), and probably it’s not very  
> > useful to do major changes to the styles.
> 
> Wouldn’t you agree, then, that this research suggests that a  
> productive next step for developers to explore would be something  
> higher-level to capture both of these classes of use cases: the simple  
> minor change in formatting, and the more radical “major changes”  
> (though I’m skeptical these actually exist when you consider the full  
> range of extant styles)?

Some thoughts about creating styles from the scratch and the  
non-existing editor that facilities this task:  
My _personal_ opinion (I’d be happy if someone proves that I’m  
wrong!): CSL is so complex and so rich that an editor to create styles  
from the scratch without knowing some advanced CSL concepts (macros,  
choose, variables, types) cannot be done… or, at least, I don’t see  
at the moment how can be done. Again, I may be wrong.

We could build tools that may help someone to create styles from the  
scratch. For example, and we mentioned it here some time ago, based in  
re-using existing macros (e.g. list all the available macros in the  
repository, allow the user to re-use macros easily). But I don’t see a  
way to start with an empty style and easily and friendly without  
understanding what happens internally build a style. I don’t think  
also that this is a common use case that we should tackle now (perhaps  
some years ago yes).

I know different attempts to do a graphical programming language (e.g.  
[Google Code Archive - Long-term storage for Google Code Project Hosting.](http://code.google.com/p/blockly/?redir=1) , and others). It helps to  
explain programming to people, but I don’t see people using it too  
much. I know that it’s a different scope, but I hope that it helps to  
explain my thoughts.

Somehow it would be like building a Python/any programming language  
user interface. It can be done, but if you want to build things from  
the scratch you really need to understand what’s underneath… tools  
helps, IDEs helps, but doesn’t avoid of studying the programming  
language.

(another way of thinking: lot of people doesn’t agree that there is a  
good HTML editor. Lot of money and time has been invested in HTML  
editors and not everyone is satisfied. Recently it seems that the most  
common approach is to create tools like BaseKit  
-http://www.basekit.com- that offers different templates and then the  
users changes the templates. This is the way to go with getting macros  
together, and I still have doubts that this would work well enough).

Regards,

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Carles\_Pina](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dbc845/32.png) [@Carles\_Pina](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Carles_Pina)\
**Post date:** [October 11, 2012, 2:20pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-editor-instance-in-http-citationstyles-org/1135/9 "2012-10-11T14:20:50Z")

</div>

Hi,

> > Some of the tasks were simple changes in CSL styles (other tasks were  
> > search a CSL style, etc.):  
> > “23. Edit the style for the Journal of Community Health to put the  
> > inline citation between parentheses: ( ) instead of square brackets: [  
> > ].”, "  
> > “24. Replace the comma between the inline citation numbers with an  
> > ampersand: &.”  
> > “25. Make the inline citation bold.”  
> > “26. Give the Author names in the bibliography small-caps formatting.”
> 
> Do any of these cases require use of the XML tree? I’m wondering if it  
> wouldn’t be clearer to hide it by default, since you’re mostly  
> focusing on facilitating minor edits.

Some months ago I mentioned exactly it in a CSL Editor meeting. Lot of  
tasks could be done without the left tree.

I don’t remember the exact discussion but I think that we didn’t  
remove to allow moving nodes (drag and drop on the left tree) and also  
to allow adding conditionals, nodes. Users needs to use the left tree  
for these operations.

Hiding it by default and having a button to show it would be possible.

I don’t think that this is a blocker to have the editor in  
[citationstyles.org](http://citationstyles.org), but I’m happy that these is being discussed.

> > > do I make a date localize?"), and then focus on the CSL XML needed to  
> > > meet that goal. I like the idea, but it would be a significant  
> > > undertaking, probably matching or exceeding the specification in size.
> > 
> > it also would require some extra-effort for users who never wrote XML,  
> > they don’t know what is an element/attribute, need to validate the  
> > styles…
> 
> Yes, but there will always be a class of power users that isn’t afraid  
> of hand-editing XML. Reducing the amount of time these users need to  
> invest to get familiar with CSL seems worthwhile. I see it more as a  
> parallel approach to the CSL editor, which is more aimed at casual  
> users.

100% agree, this would be useful to some users.

> > Documentation needs to be done, I agree.
> 
> Where would we host it? The GitHub wiki?  
> ([Home · citation-style-language/csl-editor Wiki · GitHub](https://github.com/citation-style-editor/csl-editor/wiki))

(Any place is better than no place). It could start there (that would  
be a good start! and good that we could all edit easily).

Having said that… I don’t think that this Wiki is very user  
friendly. It has 400 pixels before the content starts and at the end  
it has 500 pixels from the end of the content to the bottom of the  
page. To start writing I’d say that it’s a very good place (public,  
easy to edit). And perhaps the users will not get scared by all the  
buttons before the content starts. Later on could be moved if we  
decide it (to blog posts, or something similar to the  
[Redirecting…](http://citationstyles.org/downloads/specification.html) format, with or  
without docutils).

If someone wants access to the Github repo (I think that to edit the  
Wiki it’s needed) just ask me.

Regards,

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Bruce_D_Arcus1)\
**Post date:** [October 11, 2012, 2:52pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-editor-instance-in-http-citationstyles-org/1135/10 "2012-10-11T14:52:59Z")

</div>

> Hi,
> 
> > …
> > 
> > > We chose these tasks after reading and summarising support queries to  
> > > Mendeley support (I think that it’s quite aligned with the Zotero’s  
> > > forum questions). We found that the majority of the requests says “I  
> > > want this style but with this small change” (because some particular  
> > > need) or “This style has this problem, how can I fix it?”.
> > > 
> > > I don’t think that the CSL Editor is useful to create styles from the  
> > > scratch (I hope that with the current number of styles no one will  
> > > think a completely new approach to cite!), and probably it’s not very  
> > > useful to do major changes to the styles.
> > 
> > Wouldn’t you agree, then, that this research suggests that a  
> > productive next step for developers to explore would be something  
> > higher-level to capture both of these classes of use cases: the simple  
> > minor change in formatting, and the more radical “major changes”  
> > (though I’m skeptical these actually exist when you consider the full  
> > range of extant styles)?
> 
> Some thoughts about creating styles from the scratch and the  
> non-existing editor that facilities this task:  
> My _personal_ opinion (I’d be happy if someone proves that I’m  
> wrong!): CSL is so complex and so rich that an editor to create styles  
> from the scratch without knowing some advanced CSL concepts (macros,  
> choose, variables, types) cannot be done… or, at least, I don’t see  
> at the moment how can be done. Again, I may be wrong.

I wonder: can we imagine some way to test this hypothesis? Maybe  
making use of some previous work (say by Sylvester) that can analyze  
style data?

My basic observation is we have 2000+ styles, with some hundreds of  
unique styles. But those unique styles are often small variations on  
what are no doubt a very small number of core/base styles.

If there was a way to quantify that somehow, it could help us  
understand opportunities and constraints for future development?

Bruce

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Sebastian\_Karcher](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.citationstyles.org/sebastian_karcher/32/176_2.png) [@Sebastian\_Karcher](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Sebastian_Karcher)\
**Post date:** [October 11, 2012, 11:33pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-editor-instance-in-http-citationstyles-org/1135/11 "2012-10-11T23:33:57Z")

</div>

> Some thoughts about creating styles from the scratch and the  
> non-existing editor that facilities this task:  
> My _personal_ opinion (I’d be happy if someone proves that I’m  
> wrong!): CSL is so complex and so rich that an editor to create styles  
> from the scratch without knowing some advanced CSL concepts (macros,  
> choose, variables, types) cannot be done… or, at least, I don’t see  
> at the moment how can be done. Again, I may be wrong.

I agree.

Some real world feedback. I taught using the editor today for the first  
time. It actually went better than I expected. Instead on running through  
hypotheticals, I took a real style request from the Zotero forum and had  
them essentially do the whole thing with me around to help.

This was a group of librarians - mostly subject and instructional, not IT  
people, most of them with absolutely no programming background, some quite  
anxious about the prospect of anything “code”. That said, being librarians  
they obviously have a very good understanding of citations and using HTML  
as a point of reference seemed helpful to most of them - which I don’t  
think is true for all user groups.

I spent 15mins talking about the general structure of CSL styles and then  
explaining briefly how the map onto the

The first step - using the “search by example” took some guidance for  
about half of the group. So documentation will need to be good on that.

The remaining touch-ups - things like lowercasing an editor abbreviation or  
turning the volume number for journal articles bold - people were able to  
do with no help at all on my part. I really think that’s the type of stuff  
we should be aiming for. And I’m quite happy how well the editor does with  
that.

I think it’s not that hard to communicate to a pretty large group of users  
the basic idea of nested nodes and I feel the bar on the left gives users a  
sense of orientation in the style. I’d strongly enourage keeping it as the  
default.

Best,  
Sebastian--------  
Sebastian Karcher  
Ph.D. Candidate  
Department of Political Science  
Northwestern University

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Dan\_Stillman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dan\_Stillman](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Dan_Stillman)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 12:36am UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-editor-instance-in-http-citationstyles-org/1135/12 "2012-10-12T00:36:43Z")

</div>



---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Steve\_Ridout1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Steve\_Ridout1](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Steve_Ridout1)\
**Post date:** [October 15, 2012, 4:19pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-editor-instance-in-http-citationstyles-org/1135/13 "2012-10-15T16:19:34Z")

</div>



---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Carles\_Pina](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dbc845/32.png) [@Carles\_Pina](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Carles_Pina)\
**Post date:** [October 18, 2012, 10:23pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-editor-instance-in-http-citationstyles-org/1135/14 "2012-10-18T22:23:30Z")

</div>

Hi,

> > Documentation needs to be done, I agree.
> 
> Where would we host it? The GitHub wiki?  
> ([Home · citation-style-language/csl-editor Wiki · GitHub](https://github.com/citation-style-editor/csl-editor/wiki))

In the CSL Editor Wiki: [Home · citation-style-language/csl-editor Wiki · GitHub](https://github.com/citation-style-editor/csl-editor/wiki)  
now there is a link to:  
[User guide for the CSL Editor · citation-style-language/csl-editor Wiki · GitHub](https://github.com/citation-style-editor/csl-editor/wiki/User-guide-for-the-CSL-Editor)

Feel free to suggest improvements (we will see what we can do 🙂 ) or  
just improve it 🙂 (if someone else wants access to the repository  
tell me, Wiki permissions are linked to the repository).

Tomorrow or next week I’ll add a link from the CSL Editor to the Wiki  
page, to make it more visible.

Mendeley integration of the CSL Editor is going well, but I still  
think that an instance in [www.citationstyles.org](http://www.citationstyles.org) makes sense to have  
more tools all together (and could be referred from Papers / Zotero  
forums, other users, etc.), Does someone think that there is something  
missing before this happens? Better documentation? (I’m not sure if  
this would be a blocker or a nice to have).

BTW, thanks Sebastian Karcher for using the editor in the course and  
the feedback that you sent it here last week. We were very happy to  
read it!

---

<div class="post-metadata">

**Author:** ![Rintze\_Zelle](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.citationstyles.org/rintze_zelle/32/175_2.png) [@Rintze\_Zelle](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Rintze_Zelle)\
**Post date:** [October 19, 2012, 3:22am UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-editor-instance-in-http-citationstyles-org/1135/15 "2012-10-19T03:22:35Z")

</div>

Fine with me.

Rintze