# CSL 1.0.2 and 1.1 Development Window Open

**URL:** <https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-1-0-2-and-1-1-development-window-open/1652>\
**Category:** CSL Development\
**Created:** [June 8, 2020, 9:11pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-1-0-2-and-1-1-development-window-open/1652 "2020-06-08T21:11:33Z")\
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**Author:** ![Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Bruce_D_Arcus1)\
**Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 6:04pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-1-0-2-and-1-1-development-window-open/1652/21 "2020-07-08T18:04:21Z")

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> [@Sebastian\_Karcher](#):
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> I’m also just thinking about this in terms of governance – I think it’s the right thing to do to Tweet about this and to link it from the Zotero forums and to send an email to all implementers for which we have contact info. At least for the two former, a quick summary would be nice – we could recycle that for the announcement of the final version, which I think is a pretty big deal.

I think there’s a short-term and a long-term dimension to this.

Short-term:

What you say makes sense, in part because it’s been close to a decade since we’ve had a release. So some people might have reasonably concluded development was at a standstill.

So going out of our way to update them would seem wise.

I’ve started a short summary to include in that material [here](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1njUoC_kYsCilD1cqJDg2gxek4BH2It9_ZDKnaRlLQtg/edit?usp=sharing), if @bwiernik and @Denis_Maier could help full this out a bit, particularly for 1.0.2.

The Tweet should obviously come from the CSL account.

Do you have contact info on those people? I don’t AFAIK.

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**Author:** ![bwiernik](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.citationstyles.org/bwiernik/32/438_2.png) [@bwiernik](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/bwiernik)\
**Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 6:15pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-1-0-2-and-1-1-development-window-open/1652/22 "2020-07-08T18:15:16Z")

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I’ll fill that out now

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**Author:** ![Sebastian\_Karcher](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.citationstyles.org/sebastian_karcher/32/176_2.png) [@Sebastian\_Karcher](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Sebastian_Karcher)\
**Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 6:41pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-1-0-2-and-1-1-development-window-open/1652/23 "2020-07-08T18:41:38Z")

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> [@Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](#):
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> Do you have contact info on those people? I don’t AFAIK.

No. I was hoping @Rintze_Zelle would be willing to dig out the ones he has (i.e. where people contacted him/citationstyles.org) and I’m willing to do some quick searches, but I have no ambition to be comprehensive.

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**Author:** ![bwiernik](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.citationstyles.org/bwiernik/32/438_2.png) [@bwiernik](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/bwiernik)\
**Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 6:51pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-1-0-2-and-1-1-development-window-open/1652/24 "2020-07-08T18:51:38Z")

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I’ve added a list of the terms, variables, etc. added in 1.0.2.

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**Author:** ![Sebastian\_Karcher](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.citationstyles.org/sebastian_karcher/32/176_2.png) [@Sebastian\_Karcher](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Sebastian_Karcher)\
**Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 1:05pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-1-0-2-and-1-1-development-window-open/1652/25 "2020-07-10T13:05:20Z")

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Thanks for putting this together. The 1.0.2 preview looks ready to me? Can I/should I start “promoting” that (Twitter, Zotero forums)? If so, what’s the best format? Put on our blog or turn into a “Comments only” Word document?

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**Author:** ![Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Bruce_D_Arcus1)\
**Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 1:13pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-1-0-2-and-1-1-development-window-open/1652/26 "2020-07-10T13:13:56Z")

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> [@Sebastian\_Karcher](#):
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> Can I/should I start “promoting” that (Twitter, Zotero forums)? If so, what’s the best format? Put on our blog or turn into a “Comments only” Word document?

Yes please.

I don’t have a strong opinion, but maybe link to a blog post on the csl site?

Unless we don’t really want that archived.

Could do a blog post announcement, but with a link to some document with a list of changes?

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**Author:** ![Sebastian\_Karcher](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.citationstyles.org/sebastian_karcher/32/176_2.png) [@Sebastian\_Karcher](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Sebastian_Karcher)\
**Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 1:17pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-1-0-2-and-1-1-development-window-open/1652/27 "2020-07-10T13:17:52Z")

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I think the google doc might give people a nice way to engage, so I’m leaning towards that (plus blog announcement) unless there are objections. Happy to set all that up.

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**Author:** ![Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Bruce_D_Arcus1)\
**Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 1:24pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-1-0-2-and-1-1-development-window-open/1652/28 "2020-07-10T13:24:20Z")

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Fine by me.

But I’d like us to settle on a firm, fairly short, deadline for any comments; ideally a week from today, or at most two weeks.

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**Author:** ![Sebastian\_Karcher](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.citationstyles.org/sebastian_karcher/32/176_2.png) [@Sebastian\_Karcher](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Sebastian_Karcher)\
**Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 1:26pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-1-0-2-and-1-1-development-window-open/1652/29 "2020-07-10T13:26:41Z")

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I’d get everything up by tonight. Then how about Sunday July 26 12pm ET as the comment deadline for 1.0.2?

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**Author:** ![Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Bruce_D_Arcus1)\
**Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 1:39pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-1-0-2-and-1-1-development-window-open/1652/30 "2020-07-10T13:39:02Z")

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That works for me.

We can then tag the release the following day, hopefully.

Thanks!

BTW, as I’ve been thinking about this, I had in mind there might be some delay between when development on a release finishes (when we tag the schemas), when the documentation and such is updated to reflect that, and when we formally announce.

To me they’re separate questions, that can happen on different time-frames.

Granted, we have been updating the spec as we’ve worked, so I don’t expect the lag to be large.

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**Author:** ![Sebastian\_Karcher](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.citationstyles.org/sebastian_karcher/32/176_2.png) [@Sebastian\_Karcher](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Sebastian_Karcher)\
**Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 7:31pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-1-0-2-and-1-1-development-window-open/1652/31 "2020-07-11T19:31:41Z")

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Google doc [here](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wY1cOOamDYYh8VNW7h_uleqieBDGOa_LYsRiVdQy1RI/edit#)

Blog Post just went up [here](https://citationstyles.org/2020/07/11/seeking-public-comment-on-CSL-1-0-2/)

Tweet and Zotero forums post to follow shortly. I hope everyone is OK with the text. I listed the three of you in alphabetical order of last names.

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**Author:** ![bwiernik](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.citationstyles.org/bwiernik/32/438_2.png) [@bwiernik](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/bwiernik)\
**Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 8:01pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-1-0-2-and-1-1-development-window-open/1652/32 "2020-07-11T20:01:54Z")

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Thanks!

“Blessed” reads a little weird to me. Perhaps “officially-supported”?

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**Author:** ![Sebastian\_Karcher](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.citationstyles.org/sebastian_karcher/32/176_2.png) [@Sebastian\_Karcher](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Sebastian_Karcher)\
**Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 8:04pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-1-0-2-and-1-1-development-window-open/1652/33 "2020-07-11T20:04:18Z")

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Yeah, I took that straight from the google doc. Is it “official,” “canonical,” “formally specified” or “officially supported”? (I’m not sure “supported” is the right term?)

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**Author:** ![bwiernik](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.citationstyles.org/bwiernik/32/438_2.png) [@bwiernik](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/bwiernik)\
**Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 8:06pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-1-0-2-and-1-1-development-window-open/1652/34 "2020-07-11T20:06:29Z")

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Let’s just go with “official”

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**Author:** ![bwiernik](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.citationstyles.org/bwiernik/32/438_2.png) [@bwiernik](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/bwiernik)\
**Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 8:06pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-1-0-2-and-1-1-development-window-open/1652/35 "2020-07-11T20:06:56Z")

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This being because pandoc has had an unofficial CSL YAML format for some time now

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**Author:** ![Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Bruce_D_Arcus1)\
**Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 8:42pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-1-0-2-and-1-1-development-window-open/1652/36 "2020-07-11T20:42:42Z")

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The “blessed” was my wording, but I was in a hurry, and I think I was looking for a not-too-assertive word, given pandoc’s implementation.

But I think with recent changes in the json schema, that’s less an issue.

“Official” is probably better.

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**Author:** ![Sebastian\_Karcher](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.citationstyles.org/sebastian_karcher/32/176_2.png) [@Sebastian\_Karcher](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Sebastian_Karcher)\
**Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 8:47pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-1-0-2-and-1-1-development-window-open/1652/37 "2020-07-11T20:47:47Z")

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> Let’s just go with “official”

OK, I just pushed that

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**Author:** ![Rintze\_Zelle](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.citationstyles.org/rintze_zelle/32/175_2.png) [@Rintze\_Zelle](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Rintze_Zelle)\
**Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 2:32pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-1-0-2-and-1-1-development-window-open/1652/38 "2020-07-13T14:32:24Z")

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Is there a timeline for branching/tagging 1.0.1 in the “styles” and “locales” repos and allowing 1.0.2 styles into their “master” branches? We should provide a time window to allow downstream clients to switch from “master” to a “1.0.1” branch if they’re not ready to move to 1.0.2.

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**Author:** ![Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Bruce_D_Arcus1)\
**Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 2:46pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-1-0-2-and-1-1-development-window-open/1652/39 "2020-07-13T14:46:02Z")

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No, I think we were deferring to you and Sebastian on that.

But I agree.

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**Author:** ![Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Bruce\_D\_Arcus1](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/u/Bruce_D_Arcus1)\
**Post date:** [July 24, 2020, 7:29pm UTC](https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/csl-1-0-2-and-1-1-development-window-open/1652/40 "2020-07-24T19:29:35Z")

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Just a reminder that window for comments on 1.0.2 closely this Sunday night.

We made some adjustments based on comments already, but plan is to tag 1.0.2 on Monday if nothing else pops up.

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