# Citation formats I'm not sure I can make

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> From the Chicago manual of style.  
> [Chicago-Style Citation Quick Guide](http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/tools_citationguide.html)  
> This appears to be a container in a container, with a publisher and an  
> original publisher!

Chapter of an edited volume originally published elsewhere (as in primary  
sources) N:8. Quintus Tullius Cicero. “Handbook on Canvassing for the  
Consulship,” in _Rome: Late Republic and Principate,_ ed. Walter Emil Kaegi  
Jr. and Peter White, vol. 2 of _University of Chicago Readings in Western  
Civilization,_ ed. John Boyer and Julius Kirshner (Chicago: University of  
Chicago Press, 1986), 35.B:Cicero, Quintus Tullius. “Handbook on Canvassing  
for the Consulship.” In _Rome: Late Republic and Principate,_ edited by  
Walter Emil Kaegi Jr. and Peter White. Vol. 2 of _University of Chicago  
Readings in Western Civilization,_ edited by John Boyer and Julius Kirshner,  
33–46. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1986. Originally published in  
Evelyn S. Shuckburgh, trans., _The Letters of Cicero,_ vol. 1 (London:  
George Bell & Sons, 1908).T:(Cicero 1986, 35)R:Cicero, Quintus Tullius.  
1986. Handbook on canvassing for the consulship. In _Rome: Late republic and  
principate,_ edited by Walter Emil Kaegi Jr. and Peter White. Vol. 2  
of _University  
of Chicago readings in western civilization,_ ed. John Boyer and Julius  
Kirshner, 33–46. Chicago: University of Chicago Press. Originally published  
in Evelyn S. Shuckburgh, trans., _The letters of Cicero,_ vol. 1 (London:  
George Bell & Sons, 1908).Not sure how to mark introduction. Looks like a  
case of Book-Chapter, but not quite.  
Preface, foreword, introduction, or similar part of a book N:17. James  
Rieger, introduction to _Frankenstein; or, The Modern Prometheus,_ by Mary  
Wollstonecraft Shelley (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1982), xx–xxi.  
B:Rieger, James. Introduction to \*Frankenstein; or, The Modern  
Prometheus,\*by Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley, xi–xxxvii. Chicago:  
University of Chicago  
Press, 1982.T:(Rieger 1982, xx–xxi)R:Rieger, James. 1982. Introduction  
to _Frankenstein;  
or, The modern Prometheus,_ by Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley, xi–xxxvii.  
Chicago: University of Chicago Press.Any suggestions on how to format these?

Julian.

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Julian Onions wrote:

> B:  
> Cicero, Quintus Tullius. “Handbook on Canvassing for the  
> Consulship.”

author and title

> In /Rome: Late Republic and Principate,/

container-title

> edited by  
> Walter Emil Kaegi Jr. and Peter White.

editors

> Vol. 2 of /University of  
> Chicago Readings in Western Civilization,/ edited by John Boyer and  
> Julius Kirshner, 33–46. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1986.

I guess this would be a multi-volume publication. It’s probably not  
technically correct, but collection-title might be OK (though what would  
happen if we had a series as well?). I’m not sure we have anything that  
works for the editor.

I think this will need a little thought. Anyone have any suggestions?

> ```
> Originally published in Evelyn S. Shuckburgh, trans., /The Letters
> of Cicero,/ vol. 1 (London: George Bell & Sons, 1908).
> 
> ```

This is of course “original” publication info.

> Not sure how to mark introduction. Looks like a case of Book-Chapter,  
> but not quite.
> 
> ```
> Preface, foreword, introduction, or similar part of a book
> 
> ```

…

> ```
> Rieger, James. Introduction to /Frankenstein; or, The Modern
> Prometheus,/ by Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley, xi–xxxvii. Chicago:
> University of Chicago Press, 1982.
> 
> ```

Why isn’t this just a chapter? Just title it “Introduction” and be done  
with it? I know that leaves out the “to”, but does it really matter?

The alternative I could see is treaty these as full types. But even that  
could get awkward. For example, how to deal with one resource  
introduction that has a title of “Introduction” and the other “Some  
Other Title”?

Bruce

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> Julian Onions wrote:
> 
> > B:  
> > Cicero, Quintus Tullius. “Handbook on Canvassing for the  
> > Consulship.”
> 
> author and title
> 
> > In /Rome: Late Republic and Principate,/
> 
> container-title
> 
> > edited by  
> > Walter Emil Kaegi Jr. and Peter White.
> 
> editors

Good so far

> Vol. 2 of /University of
> 
> > ```
> > Chicago Readings in Western Civilization,/ edited by John Boyer and
> > Julius Kirshner, 33–46. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1986.
> > 
> > ```
> 
> I guess this would be a multi-volume publication. It’s probably not  
> technically correct, but collection-title might be OK (though what would  
> happen if we had a series as well?). I’m not sure we have anything that  
> works for the editor.

collection title works well. Zotero has a series-editor which would fit, but  
it doesn’t map to anything I can find. So I can get as far as

Cicero, Quintus Tullius. 1986. Handbook on Canvassing for the Consulship. In  
Rome: Late Republic and Principate, Eds. Walter Emil Kaegi Jr and Peter  
White, Vol. 2 of University of Chicago readings in western civilization,  
33-–46, Chicago: University Of Chicago Press.

compared to the example of

Cicero, Quintus Tullius. 1986. Handbook on canvassing for the consulship. In  
_Rome: Late republic and principate,_ edited by Walter Emil Kaegi Jr. and  
Peter White. Vol. 2 of _University of Chicago readings in western  
civilization,_ ed. John Boyer and Julius Kirshner, 33–46. Chicago:  
University of Chicago Press. Originally published in Evelyn S. Shuckburgh,  
trans., _The letters of Cicero,_ vol. 1 (London: George Bell & Sons, 1908).

(explicit text for of and Vol of course).

> I think this will need a little thought. Anyone have any suggestions?
> 
> > ```
> > Originally published in Evelyn S. Shuckburgh, trans., /The Letters
> > of Cicero,/ vol. 1 (London: George Bell & Sons, 1908).
> > 
> > ```
> 
> This is of course “original” publication info.

I don’t think zotero has this concept unfortunately.

Julian.

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> > ```
> > Rieger, James. Introduction to /Frankenstein; or, The Modern
> > Prometheus,/ by Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley, xi–xxxvii. Chicago:
> > University of Chicago Press, 1982.
> > 
> > ```
> 
> Why isn’t this just a chapter? Just title it “Introduction” and be done  
> with it? I know that leaves out the “to”, but does it really matter?
> 
> The alternative I could see is treaty these as full types. But even that  
> could get awkward. For example, how to deal with one resource  
> introduction that has a title of “Introduction” and the other “Some  
> Other Title”?

I can get to  
Rieger, James. 1982. introduction. In Frankenstein, or the Modern Prometheus,  
Ed. Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley, xi-xxxvii, Chicago: University Of Chicago  
Press.

Ed. is the nearest I can get at the moment. I suppose Mary Shelley should be  
the orginal-author in this case? Not one that zotero supports unfortunately.

Julian.